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Hi everyone

I thought I would post up some photos and a little trip report from our recent tour of north-west Vietnam.

On this trip there were Del-boy (delmeekc), Phil TK and myself. Phil has been on most of the trips to Germany we've done over the last decade, but has long been wanting to do a tour of Asia, either Thailand, Laos or Vietnam. He has spent a fair amount of time out there mainly in Thailand doing diving instruction so he's pretty familiar with the region. He rode the Ho Chi Minh trail from Saigon to Hanoi on his own a few years ago, but the north west is reputed to be the most scenic part of this incredible country so that's where we decided to go.

After we committed to going, we arranged bike hire via Flamingo Tours in Hanoi and booked hotels and flights ourselves. At the end of March we flew out from Gatwick (12 hour direct flight). We managed to get a good selfie with the pilot of our flight before even boarding, so that was a good start to the trip.

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Upon arrival we were introduced to the humidity and chaos of Vietnam on our taxi ride to Hanoi. If you can picture a 3 lane motorway, with vehicles crossing (including bicycles and cows) at all manner of angles, whether oncoming or otherwise, and traffic going both ways on the hard shoulder. It's perfectly normal for cars and bikes (90% of the traffic is step-thru scooters) to travel inches from one another, they just get on with it and traffic flows nicely without any aggro. Scooters are used to transport just about anything, including trees, cows etc Don't ever complain about your luggage capacity, if you do, you're doing it all wrong.

It was around 30deg and climbing, and humidity was 90% or more for the whole time we were there. We met up with Phil who had flown in via Thailand and spent a couple of days exploring Hanoi and making arrangements for the second half of the trip. We'd booked the bikes for 8 days initially and wanted to do a part 2 out to Ha Long bay after we'd finished the north west loop. So we had to book a couple of hotel stays while we were there and sort out the extra bike hire with Flamingo but all easily sorted.

So..Hanoi...well it's a crazy place. Cramped and constantly busy, people seem to use the pavement and roadside for just about everything including preparing meat, vegetables, doing the laundry, dining, everything but walking on basically. All foot traffic and wheeled traffic uses what's left of the road which is very little. It does get cramped, we were actually stuck in a traffic jam ON FOOT a couple of times.

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The food was great, we soon learned how to use chopsticks, and the beer was cheap. It's home to one of the cheapest bars in the road, where you sit on these tiny little plastic stools actually in the road on this crazy junction, until the police come along every now and then and shoo you back on to the pavement for a while. As soon as they're gone you're sitting in the road again. One night we had 15 beers there, all draught Hanoi beer which is a nice drinkable lager, and it came to about 200,000 dong. That's about £6. We had plenty of dong as you can imagine, in fact we were multi millionaires.

This is Phil in the middle of that junction...

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And Delboy at the same place...

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This is Del and Phil in the middle of an 8-way intersection, sitting down having just fed a midget girl who was selling balloons in the junction some KFC hot wings. Don't ask.

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Video of the traffic on that junction...
http://youtu.be/Wzy0-SivGcA

Same junction as seen from the City View bar...

http://youtu.be/OXmvoBgpE1E

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Also later on at night you get these mobile pimps bothering you on scooters. They ride up to you and bother you. You want boom-boom? You want nice lady? Saki saki? Monkey back? Lady boy?

We never figured out what or who was involved in a 'monkey back', but apparently it cost about $4.

A special mention about vietnamese coffee... Well I like my coffee but I'm no gourmet, but this was some of the finest tastiest coffee I've ever had and I miss it now we're back. :( There's this other coffee you can buy called Weasel coffee. Vietnam has a breed of cat-weasel that lives on coffee beans, and it's very selective choosing only the tastiest beans. You can see where this is going. Weasel coffee is harvested after it's passed through a weasel, and roasted (hopefully washed first). I brought a bag back with me. It really is sh1t coffee in the truest sense of the word, but it tastes great.

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So, a little about the bikes we'd chosen. None of that Honda reliability for us, nope, we'd gone with 20+ year old russian Minsks which contained (barely) 125ccs of awesome 4-stroke POWER. An odd choice? Well you need agility and something that will handle road, dirt and anything else you can throw at it, so these were a good choice. Originally they would have been 2-strokes but they'd been retro-fitted with 4 stroke donks for reliability.

One minor point is that they are 5-DOWN, followed by a neutral, followed by 5 more down, another neutral...you get the picture. So if you're in 5th and you forget this, and downshift, you're in neutral. Downshift once more and you're back in first, and probably on your butt soon after that (or picking up engine internals from the road). Soon we renamed it the b8stard gearbox.

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Del's Minsk had been crashed before he'd even set eyes on it so he was set up with a SUFAT (basically a Chinese Lifan). We renamed it the MAN-FAT. Again it was a 125 but a fair bit taller which is no bad thing since Del is over 6 foot.

We deliberated over what bike kit to take for months while we were planning this trip out, and in the end we basically went for body armour, tough boots with a good grippy sole, and lightweight everything else plus open face lids. It's just too hot for anything more than that. I got a pair of £30 boots from Lidl which were great although they now look like they've done an around-the-world trip.

Luggage wise, I took a Hein Gericke roll bag (40l I think), some small 5l bags and I bought a Kriega R20 rucksack so I could keep cash, passport and valuables on me. Del was planning on video'ing each day with his GoPro mounted on his lid, so he took enough 18650 power cells to double Vietnams capacity the moment he stepped off the plane.

We must make a special mention to Del's battery supplier. He contacted http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/ecoluxshop who kindly set him up with plenty of 18650 rechargeable cells. Del tested them and found them to be first-rate, unlike many similar items sold online. These cells were then fitted into USB charger packs that would power his GoPro for the entire day. They then still had enough juice in them to recharge our phones and camera batteries when the power at the hotels would go off. We would recommend these if you are looking to do something similar or for backup power. We will be making a video from footage gathered during the trip, more on that when it's ready.

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Day 1 - Hanoi to Mai Chau

On the morning of the tour we turned up at Flamingo and loaded up the bikes. They include tough but well-used panniers, and use lengths of bicycle inner tube as bungees. It's cheap and it works.

This is me (excuse the camp pose) allowing my man-servant to load up me minsk.

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Phil getting loaded up:

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and finally Del's MAN-FAT.

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So we had a quick ride round the block, Del was very nervous which was out of character but understandable. He hasn't rode a motorbike for about 6 years, and the first time he gets back on one he's in a foreign country with chaotic traffic and no rules. Fair play though, he rode round the block like he'd never been off a bike and we did the same once we were loaded up.

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At every junction, traffic is going in four different directions and all intermeshing, you have other traffic, then you've got rickshaws, pedestrians, you name it all just hitting the gaps between everything else. You need eyes in your butt around here because it's coming at you from every direction. So a Hanoi junction and a funny gearbox was a winning combination.

Hanoi lazy afternoon traffic...


So at this point let me introduce our guide, Pinky. We decided to have a guide for a couple of reasons. First, foreign drivers licences are not valid in Vietnam, and it takes a minimum stay of a month or more to qualify for a vietnamese driving licence. You can get your licence translated into vietnamese, which is then valid, but you're looking at $250 all in. We just decided to avoid the police and not crash. If we did get pulled, a guide would be invaluable in smoothing things over (along with a few hundred thousand dong tucked away in your documents).

Anyway, Pinky was a legend. Within minutes he'd renamed Del-boy to Del-little-boy and that stuck for the rest of the trip. We got along great with him and he was constantly joking around.

This is Pinky and Phil about to tackle a rare set of Hanoi traffic lights.

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Basically on day 1 it was a case of getting out of Hanoi and starting to make our way into the sticks. This we did, with everything getting more scenic and rural as the day went on. The Minsks are up to the job. You can go from tarmac to gravel to clay and they don't complain at all, we'd now got used to the road surfaces being highly variable. Sometimes you are better off cutting the inside on a mountain hairpin because where the tarmac finishes and the dirt starts it's like a berm, and slingshots you through the bend.The alternative is sometimes huge potholes (we're not talking UK potholes here either, you could go for a paddle in some of them).

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Another thing that happens is the oncoming trucks are coming through no matter what, so we've been forced onto the dirt or grass a couple of times. Perfectly ok on these bikes most of the time. On other occasions you're forced to choose between avoiding a gravel pit, the size of which would well serve paddock hill bend at brands hatch, or choose to avoid that water buffalo that's standing on the good Tarmac. Sometimes it's a nervous dog (all dogs in Vietnam appear nervous). Sometimes it's a rooster or even a rock.

We stopped for a drink and cool off late in the day and eventually stopped at a remote little village to stop at what's referred to as a Homestay. That's where a local family cooks for you and puts you up in their house. In this case, it was a large wooden stilt-house and it was fantastic.

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Spring rolls...these would become a favourite of ours during the trip...
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Pinky and our home stay host...
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Our banquet for the evening, all the food is communal so you get your bowl and load it up with whatever you like...

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Our stilt house

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Beds for the night, yes you sleep on the floor. We didn't sleep too well because there were a few dogs nearby which kept setting each other off barking all night, followed by the pig, followed by cows and..well you get the idea...

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So endeth day 1 of the bike tour! :)
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Day 2 - Mai Chau to Bac Yen

We had a pretty restless night in the stilt house. The house itself was great but it was in a little village out in the sticks, which means livestock. So under the house there was at least a couple of dogs that would bark and set off a chain reaction of other dogs barking nearby. Then there was a rooster (or 'rock') that kept crowing. Del said he didn't really sleep all night because of the rock.

Omelette on bread for breakfast followed by a quick kit sort out. We found loads of stuff left over by the Italians who were also staying there. In true Italian style they made lots of noise, left early and forgot half their stuff.

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We left Mai Chau around 9am and headed up over some incredible mountain passes where the air was fortunately much cooler. All we are wearing is body armour tops and a T-shirt underneath, but it's been 34 degrees with nigh on 100% humidity so it was nice to get in some cool air. We stopped plenty of times for photos, the scenery was just epic.

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After a few hours of this, we descended a bit into villages at lower altitude and stopped somewhere for lunch. Again, great food and a nice cold coke. We left though just as a bloke was starting to smoke some opium which was a bit disconcerting.

From there we had a quick blat over more mountain roads and just about caught the ferry across the bay. We are not talking P&O ferries here. There was a truck parked dead centre, and bikes were squeezed along each side. Any panniers that couldn't squeeze betwixt truck and guard rail were delivered a swift boot until they did fit by the ferry bloke.

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It was only a five minute ferry crossing across a very picturesque bay. When When we got off the ferry it suddenly became proper VietCong territory. Most people would wave and say hello as we pass, but occasionally you get a proper VC stare, from a face that could come straight out of a war movie. At this point the scenery is going all paddy fields which are incredibly green and lush.

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Further on down this road we notice it seems to go friendly village, hostile village, friendly, hostile. Del runs out of fuel and Sod's law if it isn't in one of the hostile villages. Oh well. Pinky drains fuel from my Minsk float bowl and we get moving again. We then have a great blast across another mountain pass before landing at Bac Yen where we check into the hotel and have some food and beer. Total distance today about 170km all on minor roads.
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Wow fantastic thread and great pics. Love the pic of a scooter carrying a scooter as luggage. :lol: I'm sure Lloydie can explain the monkey back.

What a wonderful experience for you. Thanks for posting. :thumbup:

Just read day 2. Opium is FANnnnnTASTIC lovely stuff you should have tried some. It's like smoking the best superskunk you can get your hands on. It would have been perfect for the night in the stick hut :biggrin

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No probs Carl, I'll keep posting up a summary for each day with photos, might take a few days but the best is yet to come. It was an incredible trip, we plan on going back next year for a week or so to visit the north east, it was very easy to put it all together too.
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looking forwards to the rest of this….looks like a trip of a lifetime
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Some random craziness...

Bamboo scaffolding...

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What an adventure . A good read
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Can someone tell me if you're able to see the videos via the links in the post? If not, I'll have to dig the originals off my phone and upload somewhere else.
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What video links...or am I not seeing them cause I'm using an IPad ?

Amazing pics btw Thanks for sharing, I'm loving this post. Well jell of your trip :thumbup:

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Video of the traffic on that junction...
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Looks like you haven't given it public viewing permissions or sumfink.
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I'll sort some videos out, thanks for checking it for me.
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Loving it :thumbup: Keep `em coming :D
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nice photos thanks
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Day 3 - Bac Yen - Son La - Dien Bien

"All day long, Del-little-boy talking the sh1t.." (Pinky, April 2014)

We got a reasonable night's sleep last night at Hotel Tam Dong, but the hotel was pretty poor. It wasn't clean and the mattresses were rock solid. I woke up unable to move my neck for half an hour as it had all seized up.

We got on the move early as this was to be a long day. We took the mountain passes to Son La which is over 100km away. Almost straight away the scenery became majestic, with colourful paddy fields everywhere. We stopped briefly on the bridge you can see in the photos, then got a move on.

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There were many stretches of the road under construction but the scenery and views got better and better the higher we went. It also got cooler and misty as we were getting up towards low cloud cover, but it didn't rain. We encountered many people who live in these mountains, and their reaction was pure curiosity and amazement, it was obvious that very few westerners come through these parts. They live a hard life, everyone young or old was hard at work in one way or another.

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We wound our way down the mountain, me and Phil had a great engines-off 'coaster' race on the way down until I met an oncoming lorry and had to anchor up in quite a severe way. The Minsk b8stard upside down gearbox caught me out and had the back wheel squirrelling all over the place between an oncoming truck and one that had parked up.

Once at the bottom we stopped for a drink at a cafe underneath a huge war memorial statue.

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From there we hit one of the few highways in Vietnam to make some ground up to Son La. A highway here is typically just one or sometimes two lanes and runs through towns and villages, but is generally a quick road. You have to keep a constant watch out for joining traffic, oncoming traffic in your lane, oncoming trucks, coaches, pedestrians, bicycles, animals, scooters carrying 6' wide bushels, scooters dragging trees behind them, wildebeests...and so on.

As we dropped into Son la, all of a sudden we found ourselves on an empty 4 lane highway. Del offered me a race, and we had at least three before we started noticing police at the side of the road which we later found out we're pulling people for speeding. Oops.

Quick stop for lunch in Son La before continuing to Dien Bien which is around 160km away.

We started to wind up an incredible pass that snaked its way over another mountain, this was pure twisty biking heaven and the quality of tarmac was very good, easily the best we've encountered so far but you can still expect the odd bit of road subsidence or gravel repair here and there. We had a good ride up with some locals who were having a bit of a play.


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Quick photo stop at the top then down the other side. All in all it was easily 20-30km up and down, and I'd challenge you to show me a better road anywhere in the UK. There was practically zero other traffic once we were on the downward side, it was a nice warm time of the day when the sun is no longer fierce. I had it hooked in 4th all the way down just feathering the brakes for the turns, left, right, straight, right, left, straight etc etc for mile after mile. There was no need to push it at all, just enjoy the rhythm of the road coming together with the incredible views and nice warm sunshine. That road is in my top 3 favourite roads ever. There are no photos of this road because I wanted to just keep going and enjoying it.

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Once down the other side we again stopped to cool off, it gets much hotter as you descend. Then it was a nice twisty blast all the way to Dien Bien Phu. Undortunately once we got here Phil realised he had left his shoulder bag with wallet, cash, cameras etc at the last drinks stop 14km away. Pinky quickly got us booked in at the hotel then hotfooted it back to try and find the bag. Well he must have got a bit of a wriggle on because he was back inside 30 minutes, and on the roads in question that's quite an achievement.

From Son La onwards, the closer we got to Dien Bien the friendlier the people got. All the kids wave and shout hello as we ride past, and there's none of the hostility we've seen elsewhere. When everyone else is riding around in flip flops and t-shirts with many not even wearing a helmet, and you've got full body armour it does make you stand out a bit. This country does make you re-evaluate your idea of safety after the UK which is a bit OTT with its safety obsessed culture. We're now happily throwing the bikes around in kit that we'd normally consider too lightweight to ride a bike in, and have got used to it quickly because the alternative is to be wearing too much kit and get hot then make mistakes.

Some great scenery and people on this last stretch before we hit Dien Bien Phu.

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Back at the hotel (this one is quite decent) we've had a few beers and some food to round the day off. Distance covered today was around 260km.

We had food at the hotel, then when Phil made his excuses and legged it into the massage area of the hotel, me and Del set off to locate a suitable present. We wanted something that would show Phil how much we valued him as a mate, but that was also functional and would improve his bike. We were sure that Phil would love his new addition in the morning.

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Day 4 - Dien Bien Phu to Lai Chau

"I bought you a present!"

An nice lazy start today as we were only planning to do 100km or so after yesterday's 260km trek.

Last night after a few beers Del and me decided to improve Phil's Minsk. We found a late night shop tag sold kitchen sinks and toilets, and negotiated a great deal on a toilet seat for Phil. We had to explain through the thickest of language barriers that we didn't want to buy a whole toilet, just a toilet seat.

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We even fitted it to his bike before he loaded up this morning to save him the hassle. He really appreciated it, as the toilets in Nam can be very very dodgy.

We visited a few military attractions on Dien Bien in the morning. The first was a museum, next we visited the site of a fierce battle betwixt the French and the Vietnamese. There were also some of the original bunkers that were dug at the time of the battle. After that we visited another site which had a perfectly intact 8 room bunker. They build them by digging them out, watering down bags of concrete then just piling them up. The concrete sets and voila - a bunker.

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Del's not impressed with the standard of lock wiring...
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On the way out Phil spotted a great present for Del, who now sports a 2 foot wooden musical instrument, which quickly became known as the 'butt flute'. Apparently that's how you play it.

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After that we rode on a bit to get some lunch. Along the way we encountered some more local constabulary, who were sitting by the roadside (about 8 of them). Well they did seem curious about the 6 foot figure clad in white body armour with a GoPro on his helmet, but fortunately they couldn't appear to be arsed stopping us.

Next we found somewhere to eat. Initially it looked a bit of a step up from our usual roadside eateries, but it turned out to be one of the more bizarre dining experiences we've had. They had a lad there 'helping out' who, let's be honest, was a bit simple, bless his little cotton socks. He had obviously taken a bit of a shine to Phil. After we had eaten, he disappeared off to the kitchen and produced a set of scales of the sort normally used for weighing food, only these were for weighing entire animals I guess. They went up to 100kg at least, and stood a foot or so tall. Anyway, the lad indicates it would make him really happy if he could weigh Phil. So I now have a photo of Phil TK balanced atop these foot high scales.

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Our Minsks would be classed as death traps in the uk, they should not handle but actually seem to handle well enough. The wheel bearings have play in them, they have drum brakes which are hopeless, my fuel tank isn't attached at the front so I have to stand up on the pegs every now and then to kick the fuel tank back on. If you could feel the forks you'd cringe, etc etc the list goes on. But you can go on road, off road, and lug a heavy load with them. Gravel sections halfway around a bend are no problem on them. Or the roads that turn to motocross tracks for 200yds for no apparent reason. Or where we have to nip through the cordoned off section of roadworks that have been dug up because trucks are blocking the road, including riding over the piles of sand and building materials.

Me and Del dropped back after I yet again stopped too many times taking photos. Pinky and Phil eventually came back but not before Del had made a new friend. A local lad from the village just down the hill rode up specially to meet us, he was on a moped carrying only two hay bales, but he had an all-in-one sub and amp on his scooter which was playing tunes from a microSD card. In the hills where we were, that was extremely impressive. Witchcraft in fact.

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We found and tackled a rickety rope bridge, sort of a Nam rite of passage. There was no guard rail other than a thin piece of wire, and a 60 foot drop into a river. Sod's law I got halfway across and a girl came the other way on a scooter, meaning I had to get the bike over to the edge so we could pass. That was a nervous moment. Well I was nervous, she just rode straight past without batting an eyelid.

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The route today was pretty much all twisties. We rode over 2 mountain passes, saw a lad wrestling a complaining goat onto the back of his scooter, saw another lad with a dead cow on the back of his scooter. I only noticed his cargo when he leaned it into a bend and the tail started swinging around wildly. The second mountain pass was probably my favourite ever moment on a motorbike. It was perfection and went on for ages, just left right, left right, dodge the water buffalo, offroad section, dodge the potbellied pigs, left right for 40km. No other vehicles either. Unbelievable, and huge fun.

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A nice surprise at the end of the day was that the hotel was very nice indeed and had a pool, so we had a cool off in there and had a few beers.
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