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You know, 20/30 years ago the terrorism in the UK was largely down to the IRA, some of the funding of whom came from the Irish émigrés in the US.

The IRA weren't representative of all Roman Catholics then, nor are Islamic fundamentalists representative of all Muslims.

And with regards to "fitting in", that would mean only one faith (C of E) - which was tried in the 16th and 17th centuries with bloody results, no curries, Chinese takeaways etc. In fact, no fish and chips as that was a Jewish "invention"

no ones asking them to change their faith to intergrate.
a large number of muslims in the east end of London either don't speak English (generally older people) or refuse to speak English in public, maybe speaking English or at least trying to speak it would help, try visiting a hospital in area's with a large muslim population, the signs in the hospital have to be in at least 3 different language's, the last time I was in the royal London hospital the signs were in 5 different languages, and interpreters have to be supplied.

Yet, sadly our Government needs the US in case we get into strife and need someone else to come and help us.

They wouldn't help us when it came to the Falklands FFS we had to move our forces 1000's of miles into an extreme environment, and still won. They only entered WW2 at the last minute after the Japs attacked pearl harbour. I'm sorry but the US will only help if there is something in it for them.

Personally I don't think we need them. When it comes down to it we would wipe the floor with them as we prioritise rat packs more than coca cola and cigarettes and our training is far superior. The only thing we lack is numbers and a big mouth. How many blue on blues and wrong targets are hit due to the US and their gung-ho attitude. This don't help when innocent civilians are are hit and breeds more that want to fight back. These modern day wars we are entering are like another Vietnam and can't be won and will only breed more that want to fight back.

Saying that though in recent years our troops have had to suffer with lack of proper equipment due to lack of funds gone into the armed forces and we treat our service men like sh1t (politically) when they come home and have to be reintroduced into society etc. The amount of ex servicemen that end up homeless and suffer with PTSD and other mental illnesses etc is disgusting. Look how we have treated the Gurkha who have been more loyal to us and stood by us more than anyone else over the years, so maybe things are a little different in the modern day world, especially now we have downscaled and decommissioned things like aircraft carriers and the lack of funds going into the armed forces.

By the way this is not an attack on the guys who are on the ground, we all have our pride and loyalties to each other and I have a lot of respect for those that do so. But politically the whole thing stinks.

I hate the label terrorism, yeh there are a few small groups that could be classed as genuine terrorists or should that be criminals, but the majority of them now I believe are fighting back from what we have done to the people and their countries and how we treat them and their religion/culture under the same label. Especially so, towards their communities once they are in our country.

What has happened in the UK and Europe? Have they tried to take over? Or are they just trying to fit in?

Both!!!! there's two kinds we have here. Economic migrants and people looking for asylum. Economic migrants are trying to take over and asylum seekers, well their looking for help and either want to escape the damage we have caused in their countries or the tyranny that they have lived under for many years and wanting a better life.

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They (US) wouldn't help us when it came to the Falklands FFS we had to move our forces 1000's of miles into an extreme environment,

IIRC US helped supply satellite derived intelligence info and specialised weapons, plus the promise of carriers if we'd lost any. The US had to tread carefully as UK and Argentina we're both nominally allies.

Margaret Thatcher would have lost the Falklands war in 1982 if America had failed to provide crucial missiles to bolster British air defences, according to an adviser to the former prime minister.
America, which angered the Thatcher government with its initially even-handed approach to the conflict, was believed to have provided little more than intelligence once Washington lost patience with the Argentinians.

But British and American officials say in the BBC documentary that Washington provided the latest Sidewinder missiles at 48 hours' notice after the British task force came under fire.

Lord Renwick, a senior diplomat in the British embassy in Washington, who went on to become ambassador, told the programme: "My role was to go along to the Pentagon and ask them for 105 Sidewinder missiles. These were the very latest version, which were far more accurate than the earlier versions and we wanted them delivered within 48 hours. That meant stripping part of the frontline US air force of those missiles and sending them to the South Atlantic."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/sep/ ... ands.world

...state-of-the-art...sidewinders..allowed RAF pilots to shoot down Argentine planes from any angle in the sky. Between 1 May and 23 June, 27 Sidewinders were launched. 24 hit their targets.

After a month of American indecision, the suddenness and decisiveness with which American aid was thrust upon the British was close to miraculous. The United States provided everything except for manpower. The American base at Ascension Island (ironically, leased from the British) was now the closest one to the combat zone, albeit still 3,800 miles away. Weinberger took steps to cut through the “infamous” Pentagon bureaucracy and deliver materiel to the British as quickly as possible, reducing the usual procurement time of six weeks to about twenty-four hours, with some even arriving within six hours of the initial request.

The Organization of American States (OAS) was quick to denounce the United States’ support for Britain. A spokesman for the Venezuelan embassy accused the U.S. of “siding not with its little brother but with its stepmother.” One Brazilian commenter claimed that it was now clear America had first- and second-class allies. Only the former British colonies in the Caribbean took Washington’s side. But the die was cast, and the United States moved quickly to make good on its promises.

http://automaticballpoint.com/2010/05/0 ... -the-tilt/

They only entered WW2 at the last minute after the Japs attacked pearl harbour

3 September 1939: Britain and France declare war on Germany
8 December 1941: US declares War on Japan the day after Pearl Habour
11 December 1941: Germany declares war on the United States
8 May 1945: VE Day Europe
2 September 1945: V-J Day Japan formally surrenders

Hard to call US involvement from 1941–1945 in WW2 as "last minute" - Yes US took some rousing by being poked with pointy sticks from their isolationist policy (FDR was elected on that manifesto) but when they came out fighting & manufacturing it was decisive on many fronts and world changing. Churchill know in 1941 that US entry into the war would be a game changer, along with Hitler turning on Russia (Barbarossa June 22 1941) and did little jigs-of-joy!

Stratman wrote:You know, 20/30 years ago the terrorism in the UK was largely down to the IRA, some of the funding of whom came from the Irish émigrés in the US.

The IRA weren't representative of all Roman Catholics then, nor are Islamic fundamentalists representative of all Muslims.

And with regards to "fitting in", that would mean only one faith (C of E) - which was tried in the 16th and 17th centuries with bloody results, no curries, Chinese takeaways etc. In fact, no fish and chips as that was a Jewish "invention"

i got shot by the IRA ( leg so not to bad) still a tad miffed off with them but not sure who it was. still hurt like shite

chric wrote:Me i was over the moon when i found a London chippy in magaluf.

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chric wrote:Me i was over the moon when i found a London chippy in magaluf.

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Having grown up in Blackburn, and been called a "white b8stard" in my home town, I'd kick the lot out tomorrow. I don't care if they're peaceful, they don't wish to integrate, they want our society and culture replaced by theirs - as Lloydie said my grandad would turn in his grave if he walked down Wandsworth road and every conversation he overheard was in a foreign language. I wish I'd never had kids as there's zero future for them here - I'm off to NZ as soon as I can make some money - I love this country and hate what it's become.

This is a frigging religious issue and therefore of no consequence what so ever unless you are wombles retarded, all religions are by there very nature ridiculous ,I try to takamilye people as I find them and mostly the Muslims I know are good hardworking family folk ,some are in Rotherham and are more appalled at events than us ,in a perfect world no religion would exist ,but I ride a motorcycle to get away from everyone else except my brothers ,live and let live and fcuk them all

Mav617 wrote:I don't care if they're peaceful, they don't wish to integrate, they want our society and culture replaced by theirs -

That is a view shared by many if not the majority here in Australia too.
I see the French Police are having a nice time with their Muslim friends too

New Zealand, now there's an idea.
Trouble, NZ is full of Irish Pubs now! ;)

Salty Dog wrote:

Mav617 wrote:I don't care if they're peaceful, they don't wish to integrate, they want our society and culture replaced by theirs -

That is a view shared by many if not the majority here in Australia too.
I see the French Police are having a nice time with their Muslim friends too

New Zealand, now there's an idea.
Trouble, NZ is full of Irish Pubs now! ;)

Get rid. They'll take all there is, next will be Sharia Law whilst the guys behind it all shag young white girls - they rape our children but they "just don't know any better" - well fook off then.The Moslem attitude to women counts for much of this, killing baby girls to avoid dowry etc All those who want to go to Syria etc let them, just never let them back in. We're a Christian country right?

I will throw my 2p in get out of the EU as everything is becoming run by these flowers and stop paying family's of foreign people who are not even in this country stop giving millions a year to Pakistan ffs they were hiding bin ladin from a vote point of view UKIP shut the doors wombles Europe they only want to rip the pish telling us how much fish we can catch and telling English government they can't stop giving dole money to immigrants ffs

Mav617 wrote: Get rid. They'll take all there is, next will be Sharia Law whilst the guys behind it all shag young white girls

This has already started in small areas of Metro Australia.
And the worry people have, is they seem to move in under a thin vail of this so called "we are peaceful muslim's", yet given enough time or numbers, it goes pear shaped as you described.
We already have some of the younger ones leaving the country without telling their parents to go and join ISIS or IS or whatever they call themselves this week.
And these are from so called "Peaceful Muslim Families" that have so far, have caused no trouble in Australia.
Just blending in.... Mmmmmm

After reading some of the replies I wanted to add my own little bit.

Racism, in every colour or section of society, you are always going to get racists, I have myself been the target of racial abuse and violence by a group of black men, who were then chased by another group of black men, who picked me up and made sure I got home.

Racism will always exist, its a part of human nature, I have Muslim friends who would be the first to come to my aid if I was abused by a Muslim.

The part about religion and my pick on it, is that if I had my way I would ban the lot of it, the whole stinking lot, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism as so on....But I also believe in freedom of expression and speech ( to some degree ) so I tolerate them.

What I cannot understand and do not like is large Mosques and Church's being built, a lot of them as extravagant buildings, build ya damned place of worship, but to make the skyline look like a part of Saudi Arabia is a no no to me.

I do believe that immigrants do find it hard to integrate into our society but I believe the government doesn't help by allowing them to flock into areas, look at Barking and Dagenham, this has happened up and down the country so many time.