What is the Answer to Bike Theft

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What is the Answer to Bike Theft

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This is such a ridiculous situation it's now gone beyond a joke. Personally I think that the politicians and their families need to be attacked for changes to be made. Let them have their expensive houses robbed, cars and bikes stolen, mobile phones grabbed out of their hands etc. Big changes need to be made and I would like to say that it's our voting that can make changes but I don't believe it would make a difference.

There should be a new system brought out that for every theft in London...actually make that the whole UK, that every MP for which ever party is in control at the time has to put so much money out of their monthly wage into a pot that goes towards better policing. Kind of like fining them for incompetence. Have a pot for each area and say for example every theft in London the MP's for that area had to put a percentage of their wages into the pot for the Met Police would that make a difference. I'd take it a step further and have a pot for each borough so for wherever the product is stolen from then the funds go directly to the pot in that area where the product was stolen from which will balance out the funding towards area's of higher crime rate.

They would also have to give the police more powers like screw the health and safety risks of chasing down guys on scooters and the police should not be held accountable for their actions with threats of being done for manslaughter or whatever themselves. If the scum crash and die then that's what I call tough justice. If innocent members of the public get hurt in the chase then so be it. That's the sacrifice we have to make to put a stop to this sh1t and I'm pretty sure most members of the public wouldn't mind making that sacrifice and I'm guessing there will likely be more guilty hurt than innocent.

The law sides too much with the criminals and until that changes then things will only get worse which will then turn non criminals into criminals as they go vigilante and/or the expense of insurance goes up along with having to buy security equipment etc combined with the low wages and high living costs increasing which may force folk to go the other way to survive, especially when a life of crime becomes the easier option which is increasingly becoming more apparent. What chance or options do a lot of youngsters have in this day and age.

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If innocent members of the public get hurt in the chase then so be it. That's the sacrifice we have to make to put a stop to this sh1t and I'm pretty sure most members of the public wouldn't mind making that sacrifice and I'm guessing there will likely be more guilty hurt than innocent.
You're not serious? Hopefully this is some Judge Dredd (judge, jury and executioner) inspired 'Modest Proposal' satire on a future totalitarian post-brexit little England ruled by Tersea May/Boris/Rees-Mogg...

Sounds like you need to move out from Mega-City One and become a cricket umpire.

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I get what you are saying in that a tougher stance is needed. Given that I am in the profession it can be pretty frustrating that it keeps happening. Unfortunately as you say the legislation offers no protection and in the nicest possible way...my job and the livelihood if my family is more important than someone else losing their bike which should be insured.

This is the UK. It is the softest place in the world in my opinion. People here cry police brutality regularly but actually have no idea of what brutality actually is. They live in a country where rights are genuinely thought about.

These thefts happen because society has developed in such a way as to tell the offenders there will be no meaningful punishment even if they are caught. Until the courts get hard on it, it will continue. The sentencing here is a joke.
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You're not serious?
Yep I'm totally serious. It's not only physically injured but it's the financial injury too. And who's to say by allowing officers to give chase would cause innocent getting injured as either way you going to have possible injuries whether it's police giving a controlled chase or another biker playing vigilante giving chase or members of the public fighting back. I would argue that by not allowing police to give a controlled chase we are allowing more injuries to the general public. At the end of the day we can't all be wrapped up in cotton wool. Members of the public if they want to put stop to crimes like this have to be willing to stand up and take a risk just as much as the police do. Life is all about taking risk. It's a risk bringing a baby into this world.

Rob's right it does come down to the CPS and the sentencing, though I'm not sure prison is the answer. I'd rather do something along the lines of what the Philippines do and whip them in the streets. A few lashes would work better than a stretch inside. The threat of that alone or a finger being chopped off for stealing would most likely be enough to drastically change the crime rate. Or if you think that is too extreme then put them in stocks and have members of the public shame them by throwing rotten fruit at them and post their image all over the media. And yes before you ask, I would bring back public hanging for certain crimes. Chain gangs out cleaning the streets would be another good one.

Saying that though the problem ultimately lays with politics and the government and the state of society as a whole with living in a commercialised and materialistic world as it's them that gives the CPS the power. It's the politicians that are to blame and are twisted evil. It all benefits them in the end. I wonder how much more they make in Tax from the higher insurance rates as well as all the security products purchased as well as any possible backhanders they are getting from the Insurance companies for sorting them out. This is why I say its them that should be hit. Make them pay into a pot from their wages for incompetency. It's not as if they can't afford it. Unfortunately we live in a corrupt society just like many other countries only things are more underhand and not so obvious.
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Manufacturers of high end products should be forced to build in trackers to all products...Thus making it too risky to steal them in the first place, yes the bastids will probably pass the cost on to the purchaser but it should be cheaper as they are bulk buying.

On a side note Mr Dark you may heve talked yourself into a job...Minister for Justice. :lol:

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It was on the TV last night 14,000 bike thefts this year.I always try to park my bike next to a bike of greater value.and i have a sticker stating that a tracker is fitted (as a deterrent) and a disc lock.If the little scrotes tried to take my bike while sitting at lights etc. i would remove the key and lay the bike down as gently as i could and while they were trying to pick it up kick them in the nads.I'm sure a passer by would help to pick it up again.
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The NHS, armed forces and police are underfunded to the point of collapse. I think you need to get used to what is going on around you because I do not see any party that has a plan to get us out of the financial black hole we are in. There are only two strategies the politicians have. One will spend less, the other will tax more to try to manage the size of that black hole.

That is not a plan that stops the rot, it will sustain the current situation until the next term. And don’t blame it on brexit either, we were in the crap well before then.

It is not just limited to the cities, rural crime is rife, a total free for all. The criminals can do as they like comfortable with the knowledge that the nearest copper is 20 - 30 minutes away.
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I saw, while in Deptford, a kid on a scooter simply take the ignition key out of a bike while he waited at traffic lights, then rode away.
So what would you do, if that happened?
You can't leave the bike, because the scooter rider could simply return with the key and ride your bike away.

So you have to either get someone to bring a spare key or get your bike transported home.
And if you do that, they might follow and find out where you live.....

So it might be worth carrying a spare ignition key.
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tony.mon wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:38 pm I saw, while in Deptford, a kid on a scooter simply take the ignition key out of a bike while he waited at traffic lights, then rode away.
So what would you do, if that happened?
You can't leave the bike, because the scooter rider could simply return with the key and ride your bike away.

So you have to either get someone to bring a spare key or get your bike transported home.
And if you do that, they might follow and find out where you live.....

So it might be worth carrying a spare ignition key.
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This is where we are at in London. These gangs are left to roam free. I mean wtf no number plates...nothing :thumbdown:

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The one on the left the pilly had a SamBrown Safety Hi Vis do dah on...so that makes it ok... :lol: :lol:
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